There might be no fully free market capitalism as envisioned by Adam Smith but the economic philosophy of the USA is much closer to that original essence than China ever will be. Why you bother trying to hold a country that literally rebuilt itself on rampant censorship to the same standards as a country who touts itself as the world's shining beacon of freedom is beyond me. It's apples to oranges. Western countries literally carved China into spheres of influence during the imperialist era and even if the USA wasn't directly involved in pillaging China specifically, their alliance with European countries meant that they also reaped the benefits of forcing China to open its borders. The Western hemisphere spent centuries pillaging, razing and bullying the remainder of the world, I'm sorry if I feel 0 empathy that for once a country wouldn't let them have free reign over their consumers without also demanding some benefits in return. Your argument in favor of protectionism due to IP theft might have some merit if the USA didn't have also a history of employing the same tactics against Japan automakers when Toyota and co were first gaining a foothold. The USA doesn't like foreign competition, period. China's IP theft is only the cherry on top. As I said before, I am against IP theft in a perfect, meritocratic world. But this world is far from that and I quite frankly find it ironic to when the world's historical bully gets its shit stolen for once. And before you said anything, I'm American.

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There is no free market capitalism anywhere in the world. This is not the 1800s. Western industries are tightly regulated down to the IP laws you mentioned. If the US was an laissez-faire system you would have a point on hypocrisy, but its not. China will complain about tariffs when they are their standard. China will steal IPs then turned around and state it now wants the products to compete fairly. The US didn't force China or Deng to open up its markets. And if that is what you consider pillaging then the US reaction to China is justified as a defence against pillaging.

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We're literally at the stage where a company could declare bankruptcy, destroy their IP, parents, trademarks, etc, and nuke their HQ and people would say it's bullish.

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Chinese cars are messing up the European auto market and European automakers. Europe needs to have a stronger stance but like normal, Europe pretty much says “pwease don’t take advantage of our markets!” In theory, more competition leads to better prices and better deals for consumers. In reality, it’s going to squeeze every non Chinese automaker. On a long enough timeline where we allow Chinese companies to take over, this will be bad for consumers. The Chinese government supports all of these auto companies with major subsidies and controls a lot of the technology. They steal IP with reckless abandon. In the short term, it will increase competition and drive down prices. In the long run, it will reduce the competitors and increase prices.

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Yes, protectionism is rampant in China but that's not nearly as hypocritical considering they don't fully subscribe to capitalism like the Western world does. You can't build your economy on capitalism and a supposed "free market" where competition is seen as beneficial for both consumers and innovation and then clamp down when said competition isn't coming from inside the house. I don't understand the point of your second paragraph. The Western world quite literally forced China to open its borders to them and crippled their monarchy. The USA views every other country through the lens of either 1. pillaging their resources or 2. market of consumers to sell goods to and make money off of. I certainly don't support IP theft but I think it's extremely hypocritical and short sighted for Westerners to bring up the quid pro quo business arrangements China made with American businesses before letting them do business in the country.

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Are you aware of China's trade practices, and why countries around the world are pushing back? They are not simply "competing." China subsidizes it's industries 8-10 times more than the US and the West. They steal IP, force tech transfers, don't allow foreign companies to enter their markets on a even playing field, either from regulatory or lending means. They heavily overproduce, in order to undercut foreign industries. They have myriad of other trade restrictions. Oh, and they purposefully devalue their currency, so they can more easily dump their overcapacity, which also keeps their people much more poor that necessary. These trade practices put together are inherently hostile and coercive, and must me pushed back on. I'm not arguing for any specific car companies, or countries, but what you want is for western countries to compete with one arm and both legs tied up. I assume you are one of three things, a China bot, a tankie, or just very uneducated on the subject.

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I don't think US auto makers are going to use the current exclusion of Chinese cars as a window to innovate. They'll just get comfy having a protected market because why bother spending the money and effort on improving. Also China gives no fucks about IP, they standardize parts and production lines to an extent not yet implemented by Western manufacturers.

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Well when they steal all your IP a business plans. I guess it’s more like having a baby that’s not yours and being cucked

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

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